Fetters Setters ~ The Falsification of Fetters English Setters F.D.S.B. Registrations and Pedigrees

Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West ~ Compendium of Their Malicious and Slanderous Web Pages

2010-02-27T01:00:00.010-05:00

Since the disturbing information about Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West, in Lewistown, Montana ~ and their blantant falsification of Field Dog Stud Book (F.D.S.B.) registrations ~ was first published on these pages, the Taylors have changed and/or altered the content on a number of Setters West web pages which we had (and have) linked to here.
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As stated at the time we originally published this information, screen shots were obtained of all the pertinent Setters West web pages as in light of Rick and Chris Taylor's previous and devious actions, we were strongly advised to preserve these pages in the original and abhorrently malicious form.
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Since that time, we were also made aware of yet another page Rick and Chris Taylor still have in publication (as of this writing), a Google Blogspot: http://setterswestanswers.blogspot.com/
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The content on this Google Blogspot varies somewhat from the original slanderous and malicious diatribes and manufactured documents which appeared on the original Setters West web pages. There are also more wholly-manufactured and forged documents there which have very little if any basis in actual facts or reality.

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Screen shots of this Google Blogspot (under the purported "authorship" of Chris Taylor) have also been obtained, as well as a screen shot of the Google Blog search engine which clearly shows its existence there. These also have been obtained in the event the information as it appears there as of this writing is changed and/or altered by Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West ~ or moved to some "hidden pages" as they have done in the past, with no "public links" available to anyone but them (and whomever else they would choose to see them).

The pages below not only speak volumes about the devious and malicious character of Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West, but speak for themselves as well.

It is certainly not our wishes or intent to "keep track" of the various manipulations, manufactured documents, false charges and further slander concocted by Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West. We are still pursuing this matter through the proper channels, although the wheels of bureaucracy can be exceedingly slow.

In the meantime however, we have been encouraged to offer the screen shots here as a testament to the dubious and devious "character" of the Taylors ~ and as these pages can now easily be referred to in conjunction with the facts of the matter we have previously presented here ~ and to perhaps prevent more heartache on behalf of the sporting public, should anyone still consider dealing with Setters West.

Once again, the issue here is genetics and DNA, which Rick and Chris Taylor have been given ample opportunity to produce, however chose rather to turn to slander, malicious accusations and forged and wholly manufactured documents instead. It is apparent and pathetic that they finally, in their Google Blogspot, resort to using the false and misleading genetic "information" that they do ~ and is only a further indication of their gross incompetence as far as quality breeding matters are concerned.

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And once again, the linking of the Setters West slanderous web pages here does not indicate either implied or direct consent in any manner by us for Rick and Chris Taylor's publication of these malicious falsehoods, self-serving accusations and fraudulent and/or forged documents on the Setters West web pages or in any other venue (or any communication of these falsehoods by them by any other manner) past, present or future.

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Setters West web pages

as captured by screen shots

on March 24th, 2009

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Click on the thumbnails below

for full-sized images ~ where

manufactured documents "thumbnails"

appear on the web page, screen shots of the

full-sized documents will immediately follow.

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Shortly after we published a factual

response (publications elsewhere on our

"Fetters Setters ~ The Falsification of Fetters

English Setters F.D.S.B. Registrations

and Pedigrees" blog/web pages)

to these malicious charges,

falsehoods, slander and forged and manufactured

documents published on the Setters West

web pages by Rick and Chris Taylor, the

Taylors added the following to these same pages ~

this page and document was on their web pages

only a very short time, perhaps a couple of weeks

at most, before "mysteriously" disappearing:

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Click on thumbnails below for full-sized images.

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The following screen shot below is one of two "known"

other web sites which Rick and Chris Taylor

obtained and apparently planned to use

to further their web and distribution

of malicious lies, manufactured documents

and falsehoods regarding the issues

addressed elsewhere on these pages here.

However it does not appear that the Taylors

progressed very far on this particular page

before starting yet a second (known)

Google Blogspot, the latter shown below

this one in screen shots and found at:

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http://setterswestreplies.blogspot.com/

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And still present on the web as of the

date of this writing here.

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Again, click on the thumbnails below

for full-sized images:

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Second Google Blogspot below, created by

Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West

attributing "authorship" to Chris Taylor,

also found here as of the date of this writing:

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http://setterswestanswers.blogspot.com/

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Click on thumbnails below for full-sized images.

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As some of the "thumbnail" manufactured

documents in this second Setters West Google Blogspot

published by Rick and Chris Taylor are the same

as previously appeared on their Setters West

web page (above), we are providing only the "new"

wholly manufactured documents which they

added to their Setters West Google Blogspot.

Also, it should be noted that the "brochure"

below which the Taylors "attribute" to me

was wholly manufactured by them and not

something I ever used in any correspondence

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Click on thumbnails below for full-sized images.

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Below is a screen shot from the Google Blog search engine.

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Photo and Document Images are Now Re-Appearing ...

2010-02-23T08:17:00.003-05:00

Thank you again to all our readers for your understanding and patience during our technical difficulties ~ they could not have come during a more inconvenient time, in the middle of our hunting and main training season.

If you have not already noticed, some of our images have begun to re-appear all over our web site/blog and on this page in particular. We hope to have them all back on-line soon.

And again, if you are in need of a still-missing image, feel free to contact us using the Fetters Setters ~ Contact Us page, and we will do what we can to accommodate you. Hope you all had a GREAT upland game season!

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Factual Timeline and Additional Proof of the Fraudulent F.D.S.B. Registration Scam of Timbers Sagaceous Blue by Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West

2009-07-11T03:51:00.064-04:00

Chris Taylor, on March 18th, 1995, at my kennel in Sandy Ridge, Pennsylvania, holding her replacement pup, which the Taylors subsequently and knowingly falsely registered with the Field Dog Stud Book as a pup whelped at the Setters West kennel in Montana, with the name of Timbers Sagaceous Blue ("Sage") ~ click on date-stamped photo for larger version. It was a common practice at my kennel to take numerous photos of people who came to pick up their new puppies.
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22 FEB 2010, PLEASE NOTE: The Taylors "conveniently" at some point ~ since this information was first published here ~ have replaced content on (and/or otherwise altered) their web pages so as to attempt to "hide" their disingenuous excuses, falsehoods and wholly manufactured creations in regard to the information presented here. However in light of their previous and devious actions, we managed to acquire screen shots of those pages in the original fraud-laden form when they were first published by Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West ~ and which will be presented once more here as soon as our images are loaded into a new photo server. Thank you for your patience and support during the recent "outage" by the server who hosted our images before.

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While other sad cases of fraudulent Field Dog Stud Book registrations by unscrupulous and unethical breeders are on record, it is doubtful any of these cases are more convoluted than the scam perpetrated by Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West in the case of Timbers Sagaceous Blue ("Sage").
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Timbers Sagaceous Blue was a female English Setter whelped at my kennel in Sandy Ridge, Pennsylvania, and which I placed in Rick and Chris Taylor's care ~ and whom the Taylors subsequently claimed was whelped at their Setters West kennel in Lewistown, Montana, and maliciously endeavored to back up this manufactured falsehood with a fraudulent Field Dog Stud Book registration.
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To best present the verifiable facts regarding this matter to the interested sporting public ~ and with official action which includes conclusive genetic testing already in progress ~ we have decided to use a timeline format here which we feel will impart an element of logic to this otherwise convoluted affair.
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It should also be stated here that despite giving Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West ample time to take advantage of the opportunity to prove these events false by providing objective and true genetic testing (DNA) ~ and also inviting them to Pennsylvania (where this illicit affair took place) to resolve this matter in a court of law ~ they have not responded in any manner other than to publish a sheaf of false, forged and slanderous documents on the Setters West web page ~ these specific pages which are still present there but for which they have since removed any public links (NOTE on 22 FEB 2010: the Taylors have since changed the content on this web page, refer to thumbnails of screen shots below) however which can be readily accessed by clicking here.
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These slander-ridden and forgery-filled web pages have changed only slightly in these past months with the curious disappearance of a letter which Rick and Chris Taylor "claimed" to have received from the Field Dog Stud Book ~ however of which we were notified and captured screen shots of on April 3rd, 2009 ~ and which can be accessed by clicking on the thumbnails below:

Click on thumbnail above for full-sized image of

Suspect Letter Taylors "claimed" to have

received from the Field Dog Stud Book, however which

mysteriously "vanished" from their web pages shortly afterwards

Click thumbnail above for full-sized image of

Suspect Letter Taylors "claimed" to have

received from the Field Dog Stud Book, as it originally appeared

on the Setters West web pages (note the URL in screen shot),

however again, which somehow mysteriously

"vanished" from their web pages shortly afterwards

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THE FACTUAL TIMELINE OF EVENTS

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PRELUDE:
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After an article about my English Setters appeared in the April/May 1991 edition of "Gun Dog Magazine" (the full article which will appear here on the Fetters Setters pages at some point in the future), I was contacted by Rick and Chris Taylor of Lewistown, Montana, who inquired about purchasing one or more English Setters from me.

I subsequently sold them three English Setters, all out of outcrossed bloodlines: a male named Fetters Allegheny Buck and two females, Ryman's Allegheny Flame (who subsequently became one of their foundation females) and Ryman's Allegheny Sheba.

Again, all three of these English Setters were from outcrossed bloodlines (we breed and maintain both linebred and outcrossed bloodlines to this day).

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The latter female, Ryman's Allegheny Sheba, was actually not bred or owned by me ~ but was the off-spring of a breeding by a male English Setter owned by my very good friend and long-time hunting companion, Professor Richard Kevorkian of Richmond, Virginia. I had agreed to sell this pup on Richard's behalf as Richard's personal dog, the stud, was an English Setter which Richard had obtained from me, named Ryman's Hye Moush.

The Taylors were fully aware of this fact and also that I had no knowledge of the Dam from this breeding. At the time, I was not doing OFA (Orthopedic Foundation for Animals: official web site of OFA found by clicking here) tests on my pups as throughout five generations of my family's breeding we had never once experienced a case of hip or elbow dysplasia.

The Taylors also were aware of this and also that I had no problem with any OFA testing which any of my clients wished to have performed on their own behalf. .

As it turned out however, this particular English Setter, Ryman's Allegheny Sheba ("Sheba"), tested positive on one side for mild hip dysplasia.

Being an honorable person ~ and even though the dog was not mine personally ~ I agreed to replace Ryman's Allegheny Sheba with a pup from one of my own linebred breedings providing they returned Ryman's Allegheny Sheba to me (and it should be noted here that still, to this day, no English Setters ever bred personally by me or by my family for five generations have ever shown any signs of dysplasia of any type).

The Taylors initially agreed to this replacement arrangement. However they later decided they did not want to return Ryman's Allegheny Sheba to me, and began to demand that I still give them a replacement pup.

I agreed to do so providing that Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West would guarantee that Ryman's Allegheny Sheba would never be bred and that she would be spayed (and that the Taylors would provide both my veterinarian and me with proof of this spaying) ~ and also that my name would be on the Field Dog Stud Book registration as a co-owner of the replacement pup since they did not want to return Ryman's Allegheny Sheba to me and for other reasons discussed in more detail below.

Now I am sure no one would fault that arrangement nor find anything "devious" about it (as Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West have recently alleged). In fact, to any honest person, this would have been a more than fair and satisfactory arrangement towards a resolution.

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In the meantime however, I also received at least two letters from Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West wanting to return an English Setter to me by the name of Ryman's Nutmeg Sprint ~ an English Setter for which I was NOT the breeder and had in fact, NEVER OWNED.

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So it certainly was not the case that Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West were not willing to return a dog to my kennel ~ but rather that they wished to keep a female English Setter found to have mild hip dysplasia on one side and return to me instead a perfectly healthy English Setter even though I was NOT the breeder of this latter dog and had NEVER OWNED this dog.

Certainly a number of red flags were waving at this point, however as I already had become involved with the Taylors, I only wished to do the honorable thing and extract myself from the situation at the time as soon as possible. This is the point, needless to say, when matters began to become very strange and convoluted ...

And this is where the timeline of even stranger events begins:

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February 6th, 1995

Second letter written by Rick and

Chris Taylor and mailed to me

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I received a second letter from Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West (thumbnail links to this letter below) informing me once again that:
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<:>>>>>>>Ryman's Allegheny Sheba had been found to have mild hip dysplasia on one side and that this condition had not been a result of injury (that if it had been caused by an injury, they would have still bred her) ~ that they had had plans to breed her, however "simply (could not) do this as a result of the genetic problem."

<:>>>>>>>They felt I should still honor my agreement to provide them with a replacement pup, which I had no qualms about and had already agreed to do, providing they returned Ryman's Allegheny Sheba to me.

<:>>>>>>>They had enclosed a copy of Travel Reservations and an Itinerary made on January 13th, 1995, through a Montana travel agency which showed that Chris Taylor would be arriving on March 17th, 1995, to pick up a replacement pup from one of my personal breedings (image of this document accessible by clicking on thumbnail below).

<:>>>>>>>They were planning to return Ryman's Nutmeg Sprint ("Meg") to me (even though I was NOT the breeder of this dog and NEVER OWNED this dog ~ as previously published information on this page proves conclusively) ~ because they were "not satisfied with her hunting abilities" (again, interestingly enough, they did subsequently breed this female a number of times). However the fact that they were repeatedly told that they should have been contacting the actual owner or breeder of this dog seemed to be beyond their comprehension at this point.

<:>>>>>>>While they stated they were not satisfied with Ryman's Allegheny Flame's hunting abilities either (an outcrossed female they had acquired from me), they also stated that they were going to keep her anyway and breed her (and breed her they did, time after time after time after time ... indeed, OFA web site records show Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West bred a number of their females every six months at times, an act of incompetency at best and what some would even consider as abuse).

<:>>>>>>>Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West (last part of this specific letter from them which appears below) were "interested in artificial insemination" with semen from my kennels, despite their rather disparaging remarks regarding English Setters they had already acquired from me. It should also be noted that at this time they were also in possession ~ and had had possession for sometime ~ of Fetters Allegheny Buck, an outcrossed male I had sold to them (and which they admitted and OFA records show that they had bred at six months of age). The Taylors' high opinion of Fetters Allegheny Buck as a stud dog and hunter can still be found on web pages they maintain which can be found on the older version of the Setters West web page, found by clicking here and also (NOTE on 22 FEB 2010: the content on this latter web page has since been altered by Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West) at the top of the newest version of their web page, found by clicking here. We have also retained screen shots of these pages in the event they are deleted or revised in any way.

<:>>>>>>>Furthermore, as stated in the letter (links below) on February 6th, 1995, Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West had already consulted with their veterinarian, Dr. Dick Rath in Montana, about the artificial insemination procedure and also in this letter offered me options as to making a deal with them concerning this matter. This hardly supports their asinine assertions that it was me who sought to go into business with them or to gain some strange sort of control in their kennel operations. As stated above, it was only my intentions and wishes at this point to do the honorable thing (without being grossly taken advantage of myself) and to extract myself from any further dealings with Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West as soon as possible.

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Click on thumbnails below

to view actual document images:
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Pages One and Two of February 6th, 1995, letter sent

to me from Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West

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Click on thumbnails below for

full-sized images of envelope,

including postmark, in which

the letter above was sent to me.

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Chris Taylor's Travel Reservations and Itinerary

below, (which was enclosed with the letter above)

specifying her arrival on March 17th, 1995,

to pick up the replacement pup as agreed upon
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A significant fact which should be noted about the Itinerary and Travel Reservations for Chris Taylor to come to my kennel in Pennsylvania on March 17th, 1995, is that these arrangements were booked on January 13th, 1995 ~ the exact date that the dog now known as Timbers Sageceous Blue ("Sage") was whelped at my kennel in Pennsylvania.

I personally had called the Taylors earlier that day (on January 13th, 1995) to inform them that the pups were on the ground ~ and the same date, January 13th, 1995, is also the exact date of birth for Timbers Sageceous Blue ("Sage") that Rick and Chris Taylor published on their Setters West web page (which they then "revised" to January 20th, 1995, shortly after my attorney contacted them approximately five years ago).

Click on the thumbnail below to see the old

Setters West web page before the birth date of

this dog and other information was revised or deleted.

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Click on thumbnail below
to see the revised Setters West
web page, which has a birthdate noted
for Sage a week later than the original
web page (above) and which was changed
shortly after my attorney contacted them
regarding this matter.
(NOTE on 25 FEB 2010:
Since this information
was first published here, the Taylors
have made changes to their "old" web
pages where this information appears,
most notably the Font Style.)

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Again, the revised webpage with a different birth date (moved to a week later) for Timbers Sagaceous Blue was published shortly after the Taylors were contacted by my attorney approximately five years ago. The "newer version" of the page (which is actually on the older Setters West web site) is still on-line as of this date and can be found by clicking here. (NOTE on 25 FEB 2010: The Taylors have altered the "old" Setters West web pages since these pieces here were first published, most notably they have changed the Font Style on the page with the altered birthdate of Timbers Sagaceous Blue aka "Sage".) .

Also, when comparing the two pages, one will note that all mention of Ryman's Nutmeg Sprint ("Meg") has disappeared as well as any reference to me personally.

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March 3rd, 1995
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Letter and spaying receipt for Ryman's Allegheny Sheba

mailed to me by Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West

As stated previously here, even though I wished to act in an honorable manner towards Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West regarding a replacement pup for Ryman's Allegheny Sheba and also to extract myself from further involvement with them as quickly as possible, I also did not wish to be taken advantage of by them.

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As seen in factual and true documents already presented here, by this time Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West were exhibiting an erratic pattern of behavior at best.

In good faith however, I had offered them a replacement pup from my own linebred lines for Ryman's Allegheny Sheba whom they had claimed was un-fit for breeding and for which they provided OFA documentation ~ which can be accessed by clicking on the thumbnail below:

Click on the thumbnail below for the full version of

the OFA document for Ryman's Allegheny Sheba

showing mild hip dysplasia on one side

and dated February 1st, 1995
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The condition for the replacement pup from my own private linebred bloodlines was that Ryman's Allegheny Sheba would be returned to me so that I could have her spayed and keep her as a companion and hunting dog.

It was not long afterwards however that Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West began to demand of me that they not only wanted to be provided with a replacement pup but that they also wished to keep Ryman's Allegheny Sheba in Montana with them.

Wanting to be fair with them ~ but also not wishing to be unfairly taken advantage of myself ~ I finally agreed to their proposed arrangement with the following conditions (as I would have much preferred having Ryman's Allegheny Sheba returned to me and to have given the Taylors a replacement pup which I still believed was the fairest method of resolution for all concerned):

<:>>>>>>>That they have Ryman's Allegheny Sheba spayed and that they provide proof from their veternarian to my veternarian and me that she had indeed been spayed ~

<:>>>>>>>And also that I would be listed as a co-owner on the Field Dog Stud Book Registration of the replacement pup as this pup would be from my personal linebred bloodlines which I had been breeding for quite some time with exceptional results ~ and also because at that point I had learned about enough of Rick and Chris Taylor's incompetency as regards breeding practices by certain actions of theirs such as breeding Fetters Allegheny Buck at six months of age.

This was absolutely not (as the Taylor's have falsely and so maliciously alleged) an attempt to gain control over their kennel operations, but simply an agreement that I would have to sign off as co-owner of the replacement pup for any breeding purposes as this particular pup was from my linebred bloodlines.

Once again, they had already exhibited incompetency in the act of breeding a male, Fetters Allegheny Buck, at six months of age, and other behavior which showed to me they had a severe lack of knowledge of consistently breeding a quality gun dog.

So this singular instance of a "co-owner" arrangement indeed involved NOT the Setters West kennel, but rather the status of one dog from my exceptional linebred bloodlines ~ which I was supplying as a replacement while allowing them to keep the original dog.

After some period of time, Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West sent to me a "receipt" for the spaying of Ryman's Allegheny Sheba from their stated veterinarian of record, Dr. Dick Rath of Montana, with an accompanying note of explanation and a reaffirmation that Chris Taylor would be flying in to my kennel at Sandy Ridge, Pennsylvania, on March 17th, 1995, to retrieve the replacement pup which had been whelped on January 13th, 1995, at my kennel in Sandy Ridge

Click on thumbnails below for full-size images:
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Top left is copy of veterinarian's "receipt" for the

spaying of Ryman's Allegheny Sheba and top right

is a copy of a letter from the Taylors which was also enclosed
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The thumbnails below can be clicked on for copies

of the envelope in which the above documents

were mailed to and received by me from

Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West
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As has been demonstrated and shown above in the letter sent to me from Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West, while they had had initial intentions of breeding Ryman's Allegheny Sheba at the time of acquiring her from me, they stated that they were not going to do so after the OFA report and initial findings of mild hip dysplasia on one side.

Also as stated before, while the Sire of Ryman's Allegheny Sheba was a male whelped at my kennel and owned by a good friend of mine and long-time hunting companion, Professor Richard Kevorkian of Richmond, Virginia, I had as a favor to him taken on the placement of pups from that particular litter which had resulted from Richard's dog, Ryman's Hye Moush, being mated with a female of another friend of his ~ this particular female/Dam of which I possessed little knowledge and a situation of which the Taylors were fully aware.

As can be demonstrated in the document below, taken directly from the Field Dog Stud Book records of registrations, there were a number of pups from this litter which I placed as a favor to Richard, the owner of the Sire of this particular litter ~ this particular publication containing the registration information for Rick and Chris Taylor's Ryman's Allegheny Sheba as well (as shown).

Click on the thumbnail below for

full-sized image of Field Dog Stud Book

publication of registrations for Ryman's

Allegheny Sheba and several pups from the

same litter which were registered at the same time
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March 17th to 18th, 1995

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Chris Taylor flies to my kennel to pick up

the replacement pup which had been whelped at

my kennel in Pennsylania on January 13th, 1995

As planned and in keeping with the original Travel Reservations (documentary proof above) made for Chris Taylor with a Montana travel agency on January 13th, 1995 (the date my litter was whelped at my kennel), Chris Taylor flew into Pennsylvania on March 17th, 1995, and came to my kennel in Sandy Ridge, Pennsylvania, to pick up the Taylors' replacement pup, per our agreement.

Subsequently, after receiving their replacement pup (and a number of date-stamped photos were taken at my kennel of Chris Taylor with this particular pup on March 18th, 1995, as is a common practice with any new owners at my kennel), Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West decided on a name for the replacement pup to be registered under with the Field Dog Stud Book with me as co-owner of the dog.

However the final name Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West agreed upon was only after their alternating between several different names (all meticulously recorded in my Breeders Book), those names being "Fetters Blue Haze" and "Fetters Blue Sage" but finally deciding on "Fetters Allegheny Haze."

As we also had finally agreed, the Taylors kept Ryman's Allegheny Sheba with them in Montana (having her spayed and sending both my veterinarian and me a signed receipt from their veterinarian of record, Dr. Dick Rath of Montana) and the replacement pup was registered with the Field Dog Stud Book with me as co-owner, copy of the Field Dog Stud Book with the whelping date of January 13th, 1995 ~ accessible by clicking on the thumbnail below:

Click on thumbnail below for copy of Field Dog Stud Book

registration of Fetters Allegheny Haze showing me as co-owner

with Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West ~ and whom they later

fraudulently registered themselves with Field Dog Stud Book as

Timbers Sagceous Blue, claiming she was instead whelped

at the Setters West Kennel in Montana

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Now, anyone who knows anything significant about English Setters knows that in addition to conclusive genetic testing ~ which we indeed possess in regards to this matter ~ that markings on English Setters, the spots and patches, etc., are as unique as human fingerprints. No two are alike. And markings even on a pup easily can be used to determine the actual identity of an adult English Setter.

Click on thumbnail below for

full-size comparison montage of

distinctive English Setter markings
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However distinctive markings are not used alone in today's world to identify an unethical breeder's fraudulent registration activities ~ and with the advent of genetic testing, results are conclusive as well as either absolving or damning depending on the particular breeder's innocence or guilt.

Just as disturbing perhaps is the methodology of the Taylor's on-going pattern of deception ~ in not only becoming delinquent and deceptive in regards to my initial agreement with them for a fair resolution of this issue in which I had acted honorably towards them in seeking to find a satisfactory arrangement for both them and me ~ but also in their subsequently revising web pages and birth dates to suit their own needs (not to mention the avalanche of forged and fraudulent documents and false and malicious accusations which they have more recently manufactured).

But finally and most disturbing of all is their absurd claim that Ryman's Allegheny Sheba had given birth to Fetters Allegheny Haze, now falsely registered with the Field Dog Stud Book under the name of Timbers Sagaceous Blue ~ and also falsely claimed that she had been whelped at Rick and Chris Taylor's Setters West kennel in Montana.

It is yet a further demontsration of the severe lack of knowledge and sheer incompetency of Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West that they could in anyway imagine they could "allegedly" breed two outcrossed bloodlines and produce a perfect linebred quality pup ~ breedings of this type do not "just happen" overnight, indeed it takes a few generations of selective breeding to set the genetics to produce type ~ and to have commited such a malicious and fraudulent act with no apparent thought to the eventual consequences.

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Back to the Real and Alleged Events

on and around

January 13th and January 20th, 1995

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While the documentation above also shows conclusively that Dr. Dick Rath of Montana was their veterinarian of record in 1995, Rick and Chris Taylor in the last few months' time have managed to produce a "document" from another veterinarian at an entirely different clinic ~ the latter veterinarian who appears to claim he personally "witnessed" the "whelping" of Timbers Sagaceous Blue out of Ryman's Allegheny Sheba ~ and also claims to have been the Taylors' "official veterinarian."

A screen shot of this document is available by clicking on the thumbnail below or by accessing a "hidden part" of the Taylors' Setters West web page by by clicking here and viewing the lower right document there (NOTE on 25FEB2010: This Setters West web page has been changed and/or altered since this information was first published here):

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Click on the thumbnnail below for the full-sized image

of a "veterinarian statement" which is published and

maintained on currently "hidden pages"

at the Setters West web site

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NOTE on 25 FEB 2o10: As noted earlier and severeal times here, since the information on this matter was first published here, Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West have changed content on and/or otherwise altered their web pages, including the version of their "original" web page, still on-line as of this date. In light of their original actions in changing the whelping date of Timbers Sagaceous Blue ("Sage"), etc., we obtained screen shots of subsequent pages they published on-line ~ however as this "changing and altering" process is an on-going endeavor in the Taylor household, we feel these screen shots and the notification of this activity by the Taylors has been suffuciently covered and documented, regardless of what changes and/or alterations they Taylors may undertake in the future.

The document above is the one Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West also claim on those same now "hidden web pages" to have submitted to the Field Dog Stud Book as "proof" of their "innocence" in regards to falsifying the registration and bloodlines of Timbers Sagaceous Blue ("Sage") ~ even though it is from an entirely different veterinarian and clinic than their stated and documented veterinarian of record in 1995 as demonstrated in documents above.

However aside from their manufactured and forged documents and false and malicious accusations and actions, a good deal more disturbing is Rick and Chris Taylor's belief in the guile and absolute stupidity of those to whom they proclaim their "innocence" in any such nefarious and fraudulent deeds.

And which also raises at least several extremely disturbing scenarios which must be considered by those whom Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West would want to believe their strange and twisted tale:

<:>>>>>>That Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West would have you believe that at the time Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West wrote and mailed to me the letter dated February 6th, 1995, that Ryman's Allegheny Sheba ~ who was discussed in that letter as the subject of an OFA report dated February 1st, 1995 ~ had already (by their later accounts) whelped pups which were on the former date, the date the letter was mailed to me, three to four weeks old ~ depending on which version of the bith date (January 13th, 1995 or January 20th, 1995) Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West were/are using on any particular day.

<:>>>>>>That Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West would have you believe that they had knowingly bred Ryman's Allegheny Sheba even after receiving a preliminary OFA report showing she had a mild case of hip dysplasia on one side, and while still proclaiming in their letter to me dated February 6th, 1995, that Ryman's Allegeny Sheba could not be used for breeding due to the discovery of this condition ~ and had also discussed in detail this condition with the OFA and their veterinarian.

<:>>>>>>That with the OFA radiology requirements, and taking the date of the above documented OFA report into account, that they had had Ryman's Allegheny Sheba most probably x-rayed while she was (again, according to the Taylors' later accounts) pregnant with a litter or while she was nursing newly whelped pups ~ and that they had found a veternarian unethical enough to provide this service ~ perhaps Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West not being aware at the time they were concocting this absurd scenario that any veternarian would risk serious consequences up to and including the loss of his license and would not perform such a procedure under such circumstances as these.

<:>>>>>>>That Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West had Ryman's Allegheny Sheba spayed by their veterinarian of record, Dr. Dick Rath, while her "claimed litter" was approximately five weeks old ~ if you go by the Taylors' January 20th, 1995, version of the birth date of these pups ~ or six weeks old ~ if you go by the Taylors' January 13th, 1995, version of the birth date of these pups. However nonetheless, both crucial times when a mother would be nursing her pups and also a time when no one but a completely insane veterinarian would ever spay a female dog, or risk consequences up to and including the loss of his license. And again, another procedure which no veterinarian would ever perform under such circumstances.

<:>>>>>>And that Chris Taylor had documented Travel Reservations made through a Montana travel agency on January 13th, 1995 (the date of the whelping at my kennel ~ and not the date of any whelping at the Setters West kennel in Montana) to pick up their replacement pup on March 17th, 1995 (and to fly back with the pup to Montana the next day) and have time-stamped photos taken of her and the replacement pup on March 18th, 1995, at my kennel in Sandy Ridge, Pennsylvania ~ and that the Taylors would have you believe that there were allegedly two different pups, one born at my kennel on January 13th, 1995, and yet another pup born at the Setters West Kennel in Montana on January 13th, 1995 or January 20th, 1995 (whichever birth date the Taylors are trying to market that day) who happened to have the same markings and color as shown once again in the comparison montage which can be accessed by clicking on the thumbnail below:

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We had many other items of interest to share on these pages with you (and will be doing so) ~ and certainly had not wanted to go further into this matter on these pages at this time ~ and into such detail ~ however after consistent and numerous contacts from our friends and clients and the sporting public, we were urged and encouraged to place more of the facts of the matter here for public veiwing so that more of the public would be fully aware of the truly devious and malicious nature of Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West ~ and the consequences which will most certainly occur as a result of their fraudulent actions.

In that the official process ~ with our conclusive genetic testings which we already possess ~ must go through the layers of bureacracy before being finally resolved, we have been repeatedly urged and encouraged to present more factual and documented information here so as to perhaps prevent any further consequences of dealing with Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West than have already occurred ~ and to perhaps save additonal people from the final consequences which will yet most certainly occur due to the Taylors blatent and knowing falsification of Field Dog Stud Book registrations.

No matter how many malicious accusations and false and forged documents Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West manage to produce, publish and distribute, they cannot and will not ever be able to provide the most crucial element of this matter ~ conclusive genetic testing which shows they managed to produce a pup with linebred bloodlines from two parents who were both from outcrossed bloodlines.

It is a sad situation as we know there are those out there who trusted Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West, people who bought into the Taylors fraudulent bloodlines ~ and whom will inevitably suffer the consequences which will indeed occur ~ people who bought English Setters from Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West and who perhaps even subsequently bred those dogs on their own and sold a litter of pups here and there.

We only hope that when the consequences which will most certainly occur, do occur ~ that when innocent owners of English Setters once and twice-removed and more degrees removed from the falsified breedings of Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West ~ find they are suffering the consequences from this fraudulent registration perpetrated by Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West for the sake of pure greed, that they will not turn on another innocent individual, but instead will remember where these malicious acts originated and act accordingly.

As stated several times elsewhere on this page, most breeders are honest and hard-working people who keep meticulous records and breed more for the love of the breed than for any monetary gain and/or greed.

While the knowingly fraudulent and greed-driven acts committed by Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West are indeed reprehensible, these acts certainly should not reflect on the breeding community as a whole.

Although genetic testing is never a bad idea ~ and in fact, is recommended, upon the purchase of a new pup ~ it takes only one unethical breeder to adversely affect an inordinate number of people and their dogs ~ and in the process, upset the genetic balance which the Field Dog Stud Book and other organizational dog breeding associations such as the AKC ~ as well as good and ethical breeders ~ attempt to ward off through honest and factual registrations.

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Setting the Record Straight about Setters West's Ryman's Nutmeg Sprint ("Meg")

2009-07-09T00:58:00.039-04:00

Official actions regarding the fraudulent practices of Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West and their blatant forgeries and falsifications of Field Dog Stud Book registrations are in process.

However sadly, there is more to be said concerning the deceitful behavior and unethical practices of Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West ~ than just their reprehensible forgeries and falsifications of official F.D.S.B. registration records, as serious as those particular actions remain.

Before other proof is offered here concerning other horrendously deceitful and malicious acts committed by Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West against not only me ~ but the general English Setter-loving sporting public ~ I feel the matter of Ryman's Nutmeg Sprint ("Meg") should be set straight here once and for all ~ and also serve to demonstrate yet another instance of the obviously incompetent and maliciously devious natures of Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West.

First, despite Rick and Chris Taylor's bizarre and purely malicious accusations against me ~ specifically concerning this particular English Setter: Ryman's Nutmeg Sprint ("Meg") ~ it should be stated here conclusively and absolutely that I was NOT the breeder of this dog and also that this dog was NEVER owned by me ~ despite Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West's repeated assertions.

Below, one will find irrefutable and conclusive proof that once again, Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West have managed to manufacture absolutely false accusations out of thin air ~ indeed have long ago embarked on a consistent path of fraudulent behavior ~ and whose erratic behavior seems at times to border on the clinically delusional.

In malicious, forged and falsified documents and allegations on the Setters West web pages which were completely manufactured by Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West earlier this year in a futile attempt to defame and denigrate me, they mentioned Ryman's Nutmeg Sprint ("Meg") in connection with me at least twice.

Once in a forged letter which they claim was written and signed by me and in which (they laughably claim) I wanted to enter into some sort of business arrangement with them (see more on this in earlier posts below), found by clicking here (NOTE on 25FEB2010: The Taylors have changed and/or altered the content on a number of their web pages since this informartion was presented here, however due to their previous and devious actions regarding the facts presented here, we obtained screen shots of all of the relevant Setters West web pages so they cound continue to be presented here) (or to see a full-sized version without the Taylors' "self-enlargement" feature, click on the thumbnail below ~ yellow highlights placed by us):

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And again in their very own words on their slander-ridden web pages ~ which they still maintain ~ however for which (for some very strange reason) they once again do not provide any public links to ~ which can be found by clicking here (NOTE on 25FEB2010: Again, the Taylors have changed and/or altered the content on a number of their web pages since this information was first presented here, however screen shots of the relevant pages have been obtained and are presented here) (or to see a full-sized version without the Taylors' "self-enlargement" feature, click on the thumbnail below ~ yellow highlights placed by us):
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In this last "essay" by Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West, they accuse me of attempting to gain and/or retain control of two English Setters in an attempt to have some sort of "control" in their kennel operations. This assertion by the Taylors is patently false. One of the dogs the Taylors name is Ryman's Nutmeg Sprint ("Meg") ~ an English Setter which I was NOT the breeder of and also NEVER OWNED. .

So unless I would have engaged in some sort of deceptive practice ~ such as the Taylors have knowingly engaged in on at least one occasion (in regards to Timbers Sageceous Blue) ~ it would have been quite impossible for me to have "held up" or even "expedited" registration papers or transfer of ownership for a dog whom was not bred by me and indeed never owned by me. .

Strangely enough, Ryman's Nutmeg Sprint ("Meg") became an issue raised by Rick and Chris Taylor of Setter's West in the mid-1990s when I received at least two letters from them telling me they were going to return Ryman's Nutmeg Sprint ("Meg") to me for a full refund as they did not like her hunting abilities ~ despite the fact that I was not the breeder of Ryman's Nutmeg Sprint ("Meg") and that she was not ever owned by me!

I thought at first this was some sort of sick (and very bad) joke (a link to one of these letters from Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West will appear below). However above and beyond the fact that I never owned Ryman's Nutmeg Sprint ("Meg") and was not the breeder of this dog ~ and despite Rick and Chris Taylor's allegation that she was not a good hunter ~ they did indeed keep and use this dog in their breeding program.
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Soon after I received the first letter from Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West informing me that they were planning to return Ryman's Nutmeg Sprint ("Meg") to ME and expected ME to give them a full refund ~ even though I was NOT the breeder of this dog and NEVER OWNED this dog ~ I called the Taylors and informed them that if they had a problem with that particular dog, that they should contact the owner or breeder from whom they had in fact acquired the dog!

Despite making that initial call to Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West, I received at least one more letter from them (click on thumbnails below for photos of the two-page letter from Rick and Chris Taylor and the envelope in which it was sent) informing me again that they were planning to return Ryman's Nutmeg Sprint ("Meg") to me, even though I felt I had made it very clear to them that I was not the breeder or owner of the dog at any time, that they should contact and/or return the dog to the ACTUAL breeder or the owner of record!
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Page One and Two of February 6th, 1995, letter

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We feel it may also be of interest regarding the above letter that even though Rick and Chris Taylor made disparaging comments about two females they had acquired, that they used these dogs as the basis of their foundation breeding for Setters West.

And on a web page for their Setters West kennel as late as five years ago, Rick and Chris Taylor were also claiming that I had personally trained Ryman's Nutmeg Sprint ("Meg") which is also an absolute falsehood. All of these actions were falsehoods created by Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West for the purpose of an enhanced public image for the sake of personal greed.

They removed all mention of Ryman's Nutmeg Sprint from that web page shortly after they were contacted by my attorney (click on thumbnail below to see the Setters West web page before it was conveniently revised by Rick and Chris Taylor ... of note here also is the birth date they have listed for Timbers Sagaceous Blue ("Sage") which was also revised shortly after they heard from my attorney ~ more to follow on this matter soon).

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After several more phone calls made by me to Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West stating the same facts over and over ~ even though they were at the time still insisting they were planning on bringing Ryman's Nutmeg Sprint ("Meg") back to me and expected me to give them a refund for the dog! ~ I heard nothing further from the Taylors regarding this matter and found out later that despite their claims this particular dog would not hunt to their satisfaction, that they were in fact using her in their breeding program.

Through the kindness of a third party who has been duly appalled by Rick and Chris Taylor's forgeries and falsehoods regarding me and their fraudulent practices as regards their Setters West kennels, I acquired an actual copy of the Field Dog Stud Book (F.D.S.B.) registration for Ryman's Nutmeg Sprint ("Meg") which can be viewed by clicking on the thumbnail below:

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Further proof also provided to me is the actual publication of the registration information for Ryman's Nutmeg Sprint ("Meg") in the Field Dog Stud Book, which goes further to prove my statement that I was not the breeder and/or owner of this particular dog (click in the thumbnail below):
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All irrefutable and verifiable FACTS ~ something Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West seem to be in very short supply of now as well as over the past years.
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It should also be noted here that as of this date, we are still awaiting actual and verifiable proof from Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West of the court case they have maliciously claimed was filed against me by Maurice Ryman.
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With all the other forged and falsified documents they have produced to date, it would be a relatively easy endeavor to obtain a copy of a court case and action ~ which are all public records, on file and readily available to the public ~ IF the case did indeed or had ever indeed ever existed.
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There never was a court case of this nature or even remotely related to any matter such as this ~ which goes further to show the truly deceitful and fraudulent natures of Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West. .

If indeed an allegation of a wholly-manufactured court case such as the Taylors falsely and maliciously claim was published in a widely-available sporting publication such as appears on their slander-ridden web site, then the publication has also been involved in malicious and fraudulent behavior and will also suffer severe consequences as prescribed by law.

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Response to the Recent Accusations and Further Falsehoods Created by Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West on the Setters West Web Page

2009-03-24T22:41:00.093-04:00

Photo of Timbers Sagaceous Blue from
Setters West old web page
accessed by clicking here and still
present on the web as of March 24th, 2009

One should keep in mind that the recent information posted on this page revolves around one main issue: DNA and conclusive genetic testing.

However in regard to the information on the falsification of the F.D.S.B. and OFA registration of Setters West's Timbers Sagaceous Blue, it is very clear that Rick and Chris Taylor ~ owners of Setters West kennels in Montana as well as their veterinarian who stated in a purported "notarized" statement posted by the Taylors on the Setters West web page that he witnessed the whelping of Timbers Sagaceous Blue out of Ryman's Allegheny Sheba on January 20th, 1995 ~ have been in the process of manufacturing further falsehoods and fraudulent "documents" in order to try to convince the interested sporting public that they did not indeed falsify breeding records to promote and profit from their kennel enterprise.
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Therefore, I am calling on Rick and Chris Taylor to come forth and produce all actual records of their stated alleged court action against me by Maurice Ryman ~ as that recent accusation made by Rick and Chris Taylor on the Setters West web page is nothing but another malicious and blatant falsehood manufactured by Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West and which I believe reflects much more on the Taylors' character and manipulative tendencies than it reflects on me ~ as no court action or judgement of this nature exists anywhere.
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***ADDED NOTE ~ published February 26th, 2010
As of this date, Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West have changed and/or altered the content on a number of their web pages discussed here. However as previously stated, due to their previous and devious behavior and actions regarding this matter, we obtained screen shots of all the relevant Setters West web pages and will present them here. We are unaware of this date as to whether these pages have just been "moved" in order to further hide them, or whether they have been completely changed and dismantled.
***ADDED NOTE ~ published March 29th, 2009:
On Tuesday, March 24th, 2009, Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West had a direct link from the Setters West web page's home page to the purely malicious slander they have manufactured about me ~ however as of today (Sunday, March 29th, 2009), we were informed by concerned friends and long-time customers that although the direct link has been removed from the Setters West home page, the malicious slander ~ which Rick and Chris Taylor have completely manufactured about me ~ and which completely ignores the issue of DNA and GENETIC TESTING ~ is still on the Internet on the Setters West web page server and can be accessed by clicking here.
The linking of the Setters West slanderous web pages here does not indicate either implied or direct consent in any manner by us for Rick and Chris Taylor's publication of these malicious falsehoods, self-serving accusations and fraudulent and/or forged documents on the Setters West web pages or in any other venue (or any communication of these falsehoods by them by any other manner) past, present or future.

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As far as the letter Rick and Chris Taylor "claim" was signed with Maurice Ryman's signature by me, the first time I ever saw that "letter" was on the Taylors' Setters West web page ~ earlier today, Tuesday, March 24th, 2009 ~ after I had been directed there by concerned people with whom I have done repeat business (and who know I don't make such claims lightly and without actual facts to back up those claims) ~ and I have never had any knowledge of such a letter's existence until seeing it on the Taylors' Setters West web site.
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As I had corresponded with the Taylors at least several times (and they therefore had copies of my stationary), it would not be far-fetched to believe with their proven record of unethical and illegal behavior that these "letters" were indeed recently and personally "manufactured" by them ~ again, to try and convince the interested sporting public of their "innocence" in their prior fraudulent actions.
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It is a fact that Maurice Ryman did not ever sign or have an opportunity to sign any correspondence from my kennels as he was not involved in any direct kennel business there ~ which makes the "letter" they have "claimed" to produce even more suspect as to its actual origin.
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Besides other fraudulent and/or forged documents and letters Rick and Chris Taylor recently published on the Setters West web site, another "letter" they have somehow "produced" for publication on their web page, dated April 18th, 1994, is also a completely manufactured and fraudulent "document" created by the Taylors and was never written or signed by me.
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Screen shots of these manufactured falsehoods, fraudulent and/or forged documents and outrageously false and malicious accusations created by the Taylors on their Setters West web page have been retained by us and may be published here in further discussions.
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However the case is clear against Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West at this point ~ and we see no need to address any further falsifications and fraudulent "documents" manufactured by the Taylors on their Setters West web page at any but this time ~ as we have the conclusive genetic testing to prove our claims that Rick and Chris Taylor, of Setters West in Montana, knowingly and maliciously falsified F.D.S.B. records for Timbers Sagaceous Blue.
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I had never heard of Rick and Chris Taylor until they approached me after an article about my English Setters had appeared in the April/May 1991 issue of Gun Dog Magazine. At the time they had in their possession (they told me) two Labrador Retrievers and an English Setter female which they claimed had Hip Dysplasia (they also sent photos of these dogs and letters with the same information above which I still have and will produce here).
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I have never looked for another individual or enterprise to breed dogs for me, let alone someone like the Taylors who lacked any necessary experience in an endeavor such as this. It was rather them who approached me concerning the possibility of becoming "partners" of sorts ~ a prospect I made very clear to them was never going to happen even though they brought up the subject repeatedly.
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Furthermore, besides NEVER even thinking of considering the Taylors as "partners" or "associates" in any manner ~ I would NOT have even sold them anymore dogs ~ as they had later stated in a letter to me (which will be posted here) that they had bred Fetters Allegheny Buck at six months of age ~ which I consider to be an act of incompetence due to a lack of experience and knowledge of breeding top quality gun dogs.
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NONE of my male or female English Setters are bred before the age of two-and-a-half to three years old ~ and my females are never bred more than four times at most in their lives (and in many cases, less than four times).

In addition to these "letters", the Taylors also manufactured out of whole cloth a purported "letter" sent to them from my attorney.
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While my attorney did indeed send the Taylors a letter, it contained NONE of the content the Taylors fraudulently produced on their Setters West web page. To date ~ and despite what the Taylors "claim" on their slander-ridden web pages ~ my attorney has NEVER received a reply from them.
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A copy of this "manufactured" letter the Taylors "claim" was written by my attorney is being sent to our attorney ~ and we can guarantee he will NOT be happy with having these falsified words placed under his name (and an actual copy of the letter he really did send to the Taylors will be posted here in the future for comparison purposes so as to show the unscrupulous and shameful extent of Rick and Chris Taylors' continued fraud and falsification).
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Once again, the genetic testing results are conclusive ~ which indeed has been the MAIN ISSUE here all along ~ and an issue which Rick and Chris Taylor in their diatribe against me on the Setters West web pages have somehow "conveniently" failed to address.
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And the genetic testing results prove without a doubt that Timbers Sagaceous Blue could not have been out of the breeding between Fetters Allegheny Buck and Ryman's Allegheny Sheba as the Taylors continue to claim.
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The upcoming letters (and other documents including photos, copies to be posted here) sent to me and my veterinarian by Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West in Montana will also verify the false and fraudulent claims the Taylors have made in reference to Ryman's Allegheny Sheba. These records will indeed show that the Taylors had Ryman's Allegheny Sheba spayed and that she could not have produced the one small litter which they have claimed ~ and which genetic testing has already conclusively proved.
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In regard to the recent posting on the Setters West web page of a "notarized" statement from their veterinarian, our documents will prove that this "notarized statement" is nothing more than another manufactured and/or falsified document created by the Taylors again, in order to try and convince the interested sporting public of their "innocence."
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If this letter was indeed actually signed by their veterinarian, W. Scott Damby, D.V.M., of Horizon Vet Service, HC 85, Box 4330, Lewistown, MT 59457, he will also face consequences which could in fact cost him his license to practice veterinary medicine. It is also curious that a veterinarian would not have his phone number present on his "stationary" as that is common practice with any veterinarians we have ever come across.

Additionally, there is no record (other than what the Taylors "claim" ~ or as they have lately become fond of saying, "interpret") that I ever wanted any further dealings with the Taylors or their kennel business. Since Rick and Chris Taylor also made this claim on their Setters West web page, I also call upon them to produce any "real and factual" evidence that any inkling of an interest by me in this regard ever occurred ~ or that I ever wished to be "associated" with their kennel in any way, shape or form.
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As previously stated here, not only would I have never considered them as "partners" or any sort of "associates" in any type of breeding endeavor, I would not have even sold them anymore dogs due to their incompetent act of breeding a dog (Fetters Allegheny Buck) at six months of age ~ among other acts of incompetence and obvious indications of their severe lack of knowledge and experience in breeding top quality gun dogs.

If Rick and Chris Taylor are really and truly so interested in "proving their innocence" to the interested sporting public, I invite them to produce their own objectively observed genetic testing of Timbers Sagaceous Blue and any and all of her generational off-spring ~ which will indeed show the line breeding that is ACTUALLY present in her bloodline (bloodlines which I still breed and maintain) and NOT the out-crossed breeding which the Taylors claim her to be (the out-crossed bloodline which I also still breed and maintain as stated previously elsewhere on this page).

It is quite amazing to us that the issue here is "DNA and GENETICS" and that with all the rantings, ravings, blatantly false accusations and fraudulent "documents" the Taylors recently created on the Setters West web pages, that the issue of "DNA and GENETICS" somehow has never seemed to cross their minds ~ and in fact, is never once mentioned by them in their recent web page "production."
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Perhaps the Taylors' "interpretive" skills are only at a satisfactory level when they are in the process of manufacturing even further falsehoods and forged and/or fraudulent "documents" ~ which have absolutely nothing at all to do with the real issue here.

I, John Fetters, am offering the Taylors an open invitation to appear in a court of law in Pennsylvania (by law, where the original transaction occurred) with me and prove their recent claims against me ~ as we are in the process of taking our information to Chicago and presenting it personally to the Field Dog Stud Book where this matter will be rectified once and for all.

It is truly regrettable that Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West have chosen the method they have in order to respond to the information we have posted here ~ as it unfortunately will not help those customers of theirs who find their dogs' registrations suspended due to the Taylors' selfish, fraudulent and dishonest actions in submitting blatantly false information to the F.D.S.B.

Until the Taylors are willing to produce their own independently and objectively acquired "factual" genetic evidence to dispute my claims here ~ which they will be unable to do as genetics do not lie ~ they should spend their time addressing the very real concerns of past customers whom the Taylors knowingly defrauded ~ and the very serious ramifications which indeed surely will occur.

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Timbers Ryman Major, Timber's Summer Eve, Timbers Ryman Tekke ~ Further Falsified Registrations by Setters West

2009-03-16T20:52:00.030-04:00

Many people who set out to purchase an English Setter puppy spend a good amount of time researching various breeders and bloodlines to acquire a dog which they feel will best fit their hunting and companionship needs.
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While the majority of breeders are careful and honest in their filings of registrations and their records of actual bloodlines when dealing with the OFA (Orthopedic Foundation for Animals) and the F.D.S.B. (Field Dog Stud Book), it takes only an occasional breeder who resorts to fraud and dishonesty and/or theft to upset the balance ~ not only where the official records and registrations are concerned, but in the genetic balance of the pups they are selling as well.
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Some dog owners say their particular dog's breeding does not matter to them ~ however when pressed, they will freely admit having paid much more for a pup which could be registered with the F.D.S.B. than they would have paid if the pup could not be F.D.S.B.-registered.
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In addition to defrauding their initial customers who purchase pups directly from them with falsified registrations based on fraudulent bloodlines, these unscrupulous breeders affect countless other dog owners and breeders who have purchased dogs and pups bred from Sires and Dams of other owners and breeders who unknowingly possess the fraudulent bloodlines of the unscrupulous breeder's original falsified F.D.S.B. registrations.
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These original breeders cannot be considered "innocent by-standers" by any stretch of the imagination ~ when they have made every effort to knowingly promote, perpetuate (and profit from) their prime act of dishonesty when fraudulent F.D.S.B. registrations are initially falsified and submitted by them.
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Unfortunately, when caught and proved to have submitted falsified and fraudulent records, their dishonest acts cause other unknowing and innocent people to also suffer the consequences ~ and leave these other people no recourse than to go back to the source of the problem ~ the unscrupulous breeder who falsified bloodline records and submitted fraudulent registrations in the first place.
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Below are thumbnail links for full-size screen shots of OFA on-line records (created March 10th, 2009) for three of Setters West's "purported" off-spring tracing back to the "spayed" Grand-Dam, Ryman's Allegheny Sheba ~ the "spayed" English Setter which Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West in Montana also claimed was the Dam of Timbers Sagaceous Blue (the latter whom they also claimed was whelped at Setters West in Montana when in fact she was NOT ~ and which is discussed in further detail elsewhere on this page).
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Due to the dishonesty of Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West in manufacturing fraudulent bloodlines for the falsification of their breeding records ~ which have been proven to be false by genetic testings (see previous postings on this page) ~ any bloodlines out of these three dogs and any other generational off-spring of Timbers Sagaceous Blue will be adversely affected by the consequences of the Taylors' previous actions:
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Link to screen shot of OFA page: Timbers Ryman Major

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(click on the thumbnail above to view full-sized page)..Link to screen shot of OFA page: Timber's Summer Eve.,,, (click on the thumbnail above to view full-sized page)..Link to screen shot of OFA page: Timbers Ryman Tekke,,,,, (click on the thumbnail above to view full-sized page).

Once again, the purpose here is not to denounce or accuse all breeders of dishonesty ~ most breeders work hard to breed and raise their dogs more for the joy of ownership and love of the breed than for any other reward ~ especially for the "rewards" of monetary gain.

But again, Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West in Montana unfortunately are not the only breeders who have been proven by genetic testing to have committed fraud and theft with their use of falsified records.

As stated previously on this page, there have been other instances of fraudulent bloodlines and falsification of registrations of dogs bred by me (or "reportedly" bred by me and/or carrying the "Fetters" name) which are also presently being addressed by the proper authorities ~ and which will be further expounded upon in more detail here for the benefit of the interested public ~ in the very near future.

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OFA Records for Timbers Sagaceous Blue and Ryman's Allegheny Sheba ~ Falsification of Registrations by Setters West

2009-03-16T19:32:00.022-04:00

OFA (Orthopedic Foundation for Animals) records are public and available on-line at the official OFA website, which can be accessed by clicking here.
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As stated in the previous posting here, Ryman's Allegheny Sheba (whom Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West "claim" is the Dam of Timbers Sagaceous Blue) does not appear on the OFA's main listing page for Timbers Sagaceous Blue.
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Anyone familiar with the OFA web site will know that if a dog is listed with them, that dog will also appear on the main page of a listing as Sire or Dam if their off-spring has also been registered with the OFA ~ and that OFA records are based on actual registrations which breeders and/or owners have made with the F.D.S.B. (Field Dog Stud Book) and in fact, carry the F.D.S.B. registration number on the OFA site.
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By clicking on the thumbnail below, you will be taken to a screen shot (made on March 10th, 2009) of OFA's main listing for Timbers Sagaceous Blue ~ where her "purported" Dam, Ryman's Allegheny Sheba, is curiously absent from the page:

Link to screen shot of OFA page: Timbers Sagaceous Blue.....

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(click on thumbnail above to view full-sized page)

It is however not a case of the "purported" Dam, Ryman's Allegheny Sheba, not being listed with the OFA ~ by clicking on the thumbnail below, you will be taken to the screen shot (made on March 10th, 2009) of the Vertical Pedigree for Ryman's Allegheny Sheba ~ whom the Taylors also claimed was never bred and was spayed by their veterinarian.

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Link to screen shot of OFA page: Ryman's Allegheny Sheba.....
(click on the thumbnail above to view full-sized page).

In the OFA records, Ryman's Allegheny Sheba also appears as the Grand-Dam in the Vertical Pedigrees of a number of off-spring of Timbers Sagaceous Blue (once again, whom Rick and Chris Taylor also "claim" was whelped at Setters West in Montana and sired by Fetters Allegheny Buck).

Thumbnails for full-size screen shots of OFA on-line records (created March 10th, 2009) for three of these "purported" off-spring tracing back to the "spayed" Grand-Dam, Ryman's Allegheny Sheba, can be found in the following posting.

The information being provided here is for the purpose of informing the interested public to alert them to future inevitable ramifications from these fraudulent acts committed by Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West ~ and in hope that others might avoid any unfortunate occurrences in the future.

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The F.D.S.B. Registration of Timbers Sagaceous Blue ~ a Falsification Created by Setters West

2009-03-15T23:45:00.033-04:00

Bossco and Piper ~ photo courtesy of: Branko's Beagles

"LEAFING THROUGH the pages of Better Beagling five years ago, Manitoba breeder Frieda Krpan spotted a familiar face. The dog in the photo looked an awful lot like Skooby Doo, a beagle pup she had sold to a Michigan hunter four years earlier. But the photo ran in an ad for a stud named Snow Run Dobie. The fellow who placed the ad was Joseph Kuklenski, owner of an upstart kennel that hoped to compete with Krpan's kennel, Branko's Beagles.

" 'We recognized our dog,' Krpan recalls, suspecting Kuklenski of trying to pass off Skooby Doo as one of his own dogs in order to found a brand on plagiarized genetic stock. But she couldn't prove it.

"She couldn't, that is, until she heard about a new canine identity test, conceived by Joy L. Halverson, a Davis, Calif. veterinarian ..."

from: "The Pooch Police are on the move" by Brigid McMenamin, "Forbes" magazine, May 31st, 1999 edition ~ full article by clicking here.

In recent years there have been an increasing number of cases involving breeders who are advertising and selling dogs which have had their registration and pedigree information illegally changed. Branko's Beagles was one of a number of upstanding and honest kennels who were victimized by this practice. The culprit in this saga, Joseph Kulenski ~ even though he denied switching registration papers, but which facts proved otherwise ~ was subsequently banned from the AKC and UKC registries, the two main registries for registering Beagles.

Before purchasing your next hunting companion, it is highly advisable to have a DNA test completed to make certain you are getting a pup from the breeding between the Sire and Dam the pup was advertised as being from.

Branko and Frieda Krpan worked hard to build their kennel's reputation and worked hard at maintaining their high standards, producing a number of champions. The unethical and illegal practice of switching and/or falsifying registrations unfortunately is not limited to Beagle breeders alone.

I would like to take this time to thank Branko and Frieda Krpan, proprietors of Branko's Beagles (contact information below), for all their help and guidance in issues pertaining to fraud and falsification of registration papers in regards to a female English Setter pup that was placed in the care of Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West, 1511 Timberline Road, Lewistown, MT 59457.

The particular dog in question is Timbers Sagaceous Blue, which the Taylors claimed came out of a breeding between Fetters Allegheny Buck (the Sire) and Ryman's Allegheny Sheba (the Dam).

However the Taylors claimed in a letter to me that Ryman's Allegheny Sheba was not fit to breed and was spayed (having never been bred), and supplied "veterinary records" as well ~ which were forwarded to me and my own veterinarian.

Ironically, the OFA (Orthopedic Foundation for Animals) at one point not very long ago had Ryman's Allegheny Sheba listed on their site on the Timbers Sagaceous Blue main listing as the Dam (Ryman's Allegheny Sheba's name as Dam on that main listing has since been removed).

Still present as of this date however are the on-line OFA Vertical Pedigree records of Timbers Sagaceous Blue and the off-spring of Timbers Sagaceous Blue ~ where Ryman's Allegheny Sheba is still named ~ with the only pup showing having been whelped by her and listed with the OFA as Timbers Sagaceous Blue (out of the "purported" breeding between Fetters Allegheny Buck and Ryman's Allegheny Sheba ~ see following posts).

Despite what the Taylors claim (and have entered into OFA and F.D.S.B. records), the true Sire and Dam of Timbers Sagaceous Blue were both owned by me and were out of line-bred breedings done under my close personal supervision ~ and out of a bloodline which I have personally maintained and presently own.

Timbers Sagaceous Blue was NOT whelped in Lewistown, Montana, at Setters West, as Rick and Chris Taylor have claimed.

Instead, this particular dog was whelped at my kennel out of a line-bred Sire and Dam that were born and raised at my kennel from a pure line-bred strain.

Genetic testing has proven Timbers Sagaceous Blue could not possibly have been out of the Sire and Dam which Rick and Chris Taylor have claimed ~ and which they registered with the Field Dog Stud Book ~ due to the fact that the bloodline they claim she has is an out-crossed bloodline and the genetics do not match with their claims.

After repeated phone calls to Rick and Chris Taylor of Setters West ~ and having them hang up on me ~ they were contacted by my attorney and have never responded. Further action has been initiated to correct this matter.

Anyone purchasing a pup from Setters West should be aware of these issues as it will affect the registration of any offspring with Timbers Sagaceous Blue in the line of breeding.

Other instances of fraudulent and falsification of registrations of dogs bred by me (or "reportedly" bred by me and carrying the "Fetters" name) have occurred as well ~ and are in the process of being addressed ~ and more information will be forthcoming on this page as well as actual records and documentation to prove these claims beyond all reasonable doubt.

To access Branko's Beagles website, click here ...
Owners: Branko and Frieda Krpan
P.O. Box 40St.
Laurent,
MB
R0C 2S0
CANADA
Phone: 204.646.2543
Fax: 204.646.2165
Email: frieda@brankosbeagles.com

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Public Notice ~ The Earliest Stages

2009-01-14T15:28:00.009-05:00

The information which will be presented here is in its earliest stages of format development and organization for publishing ~ and is being offered to those who own, love and are solely dedicated to the English Setter breed.

The information which will be presented here is not 'manufactured' in any way. It will be offered in its most factual form and compiled from actual photos, documentation and correspondence ~ which will also be presented here.

The individuals involved have committed the act of fraud against the interested public through their English Setter breeding programs. As stated above, the indepth information which will be presented here will prove beyond any reasonable doubt both the act of theft and the manipulation of original English Setter breeding documentation which was falsified for the sole sake of personal gain.

To date, there are many individuals who have purchased English Setters from these breeders, English Setters who purportedly carry bloodlines which look good on the pedigree documents ~ but just looking good is where it ends.

The falsification of English Setter breeding documents renders the dog worthless from a breeding stand-point because first and foremost, you didn't get an English Setter that is worth the price you paid. Furthermore, the dog is not exactly as described where the breeding and ancestry is concerned.

In addition, by falsifying the breeding and registration of puppies from these litters, the balance of genetic nature has been breached and upset in regards to any possible long range health problems and issues which may arise in the future through breeding this particular strain from within the bloodline. In short, any health issues that crop up will be very difficult to diagnose and will only add to the problems good and responsible breeders are trying to correct in their own breeding programs.

Through the falsification of breeding records and the switching of registration documents, that one bad gene that has been dormant for generations of breeding will eventually crop up and become very difficult to deal with when an owner has a dog that is claimed to be one thing on paper when in fact, the dog is of unknown ancestry and/or not of the ancestry which the breeder claimed it to be.

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